The above is a link that has 2700 people discussing true equality within Canada we are holding national rallies and gaining steam very fast, we are the other opinion the one that is always silences with over boistorus campaingns. Many Canadains are coming here to voice their opinions in a safe and welcome enviroment to discuss the inequalities in our laws and how we can change them, without being called a racist at every turn, an opinion which is shared by many many people is just that an opinion, not racism, we wish to strengthen hate laws while at the same time eliminate laws that put up legislated race walls throughout the country. We are all O.N.E. One Nation For Equality!]]>
I have had this conversation countless times and it starts with the treaties then I point out objective facts in the treaties which I get in return was “well that’s not what our ancestors meant”. They come back with urban legends like above and I counter the information but only get conspiracy theories in return. Then, much like you do, they reference the environment because that is the saving grace…right? Well answer this to me….why are there so many pipelines and extractions happening on the reserves? Natives care about the environment no more than the next guy….moreso what they care about is money. But when is it good enough? Its not. They want all the money. Even the lawyer that represents the FN is quoted as saying” Accountability doesn’t solve poverty…money does”. Again I ask…..REALLY?
You want to look back at history? Ok….Canada (as they knew it) was being invaded by the British from the East and the US from the south. France who were the natives biggest allies gave up their quest for Canada leaving the Natives all on there own. The US decides to invade and together (Brits, French and Natives) defend the land. It was a sharp reality for the native people that it was either settle with the British or die by the Americans. So…would you have prefered the latter of those two options? Natives often romanticize their pasts when it comes to the treaties. Japan signed a treaty after they lost WW2….key word is that they lost. Treaty doesn’t always mean win-win. Similarily, the natives lost the battle and tried to take whatever they could get. Like you said, they got little money and poor land…..that is what happens when you lose the battle. Or is this form of history another government conspircacy? I have no problems owning up to the residential schools and the mistakes that our government made but you own up to the fact that this land was conquered. Not conquered by the sword but conqured by treaty. I trust you won’t admit that but will come back with some other conspiracy theory.
History is history. The future is ours which is why I ask Native people why they want to keep the treaties? Why they want segregate themselves from the rest of Canada. Why to they want to remain prisoners of the past? I have argued above that the treaties give certain rights but they have also taken away rights from the natives. Until 1960…they couldn’t vote. At this present time, natives on reserves can’t own land. They are dependent on the government to make a living. Why do Natives hold on to the things that chain them? The black slaves in the US fought to be part of the group. As did South Africa. However Natives don’t want to be part of the group nor part of any solution we provide. But again….if we offer a solution and try to help….its not good enough. The funny thing is that the Idle No More has the ear of our country and the Natives have an opportunity to move forward but instead they want to dwell in the past. Take this opportunity to do to something real. If that something real involves being part of Canada…then people will back you.
So meet you….like I said I have met you and it will never be good enough. You don’t need to meet me and convince me of anything. You need to meet with the Native people and find a solution that will make them happy. Make it good enough for them.
I apologize to the people on this Sikh forum as I did not intend to spark a debate on Native relations on this site. My orignal post of “Really?” is because I know a number of Sikh people, not a lot but enough to know that not one of them are victims. I have never heard them talk about their ancestors pasts…they only talk about their future and the potential that Canada brings. I’m not asking you to agree with me I’m just asking you to not play the victim role and to objectively seek the truth…not just urban legends like the Idle No More movement wants you to.]]>
Tossing about anonymous jabs (calling people foolish and uneducated) and recycling the commercially successful words of mental giants from Calgary and elsewhere (men who claim academic prowess but choose not to publish their radical and historically inaccurate thoughts in peer review journals) only stands to prove that THEY have pushed your buttons. The sources you are quoting (governmental docs included) have been crafted to suggest some kind of gross injustice holds people like you down.
It’s insulting (you should be insulted) to think that there are forces within the power elite who believe they can manipulate you (your anger, frustration and fear of being taken advantage of) to silence the voices of people who have been marginalized for generations. Our wealth (our infrastructure, the stability of our banking system, the seemingly endless supply of raw natural resources we can commoditize) is what has allowed people like you and me to prosper – if you have read the treaties, you must surely note how the men who negotiated on behalf of the Crown made promises that they and the Crown had no intention of honouring. (perhaps all you can admit is that they made deals for vast territories in exchange for very little money – and contained people on the least valuable land). There is no integrity in that… it’s theft. Embarrassment makes it convenient to dismiss the legitimacy of treaties.
If we (you and I) are to have integrity today we can’t pick and choose which chapters of our history are legitimate. Countless and coordinated attempts to civilize, assimilate and erase indigenous peoples have displaced them from lands that were developed for our benefit. The benefit you now staunchly defend… since you are aware (given the bounty of evidence) that people can indeed be usurped, displaced and marginalized.
Perhaps you’d prefer a more enlightened possible future, where we don’t rush to extract raw materials and sell them cheaply on international markets, only to be left with deep black holes and dirty water?
Perhaps you would actually be willing to meet for coffee rather than type up another diatribe behind your sarcastic name? I’m ready if you are. (i’m sure the managers of this blog can help us swap info.)]]>
Most Canadians respect the rights and struggles of Indigenous Peoples, but our governments are controlled by corporate greed and power.
People like ‘Really??’ and Tom Flanagan parrot the corporate colonial masters and don’t grasp anything beyond the obviou$. They don’t speak for us.]]>
What economic knowledge do you want me to present? Attiwapiskt squandering the $100million they received of which 80% is unaccounted for? Are you going to tell me that is a stereotypical lie?]]>